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		<title>Oh OGG when will it be your time&#8230;.?</title>
		<link>http://shanefagan.com/2009/12/10/oh-ogg-when-will-it-be-your-time/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m an optimist, specifically for ubuntu and the open source/free software world. One thing that puzzles me is OGG Theora and Vorbis. We see Wikimedia (Wikipedia, wikidictonary&#8230;etc) using OGG technologies as well as mozilla, google and opera embracing it. It &#8230; <a href="http://shanefagan.com/2009/12/10/oh-ogg-when-will-it-be-your-time/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an optimist, specifically for ubuntu and the open source/free software world. One thing that puzzles me is OGG Theora and Vorbis. We see Wikimedia (Wikipedia, wikidictonary&#8230;etc) using OGG technologies as well as mozilla, google and opera embracing it. It is included by default in nearly all linux distributions (I say nearly all because I cant think of any that dont but id say some don&#8217;t have it). They are the only freely distributable codecs around. </p>
<p>So why am I still unsure about OGG being used worldwide as the standard for audio/video files?<br />
1. It wont be standardized as part of HTML5<br />
2. MP3 although outdated are still installed on more devices sold on the market.<br />
3. No big company is pushing its adoption<br />
4. Even people who support free software have no reason to encode their library into free formats.<br />
5. The ubuntu one music store (going by the meeting at the UDS) more than likely wont offer OGGs as a download option.<br />
6. Google bought On2, so they might push VP8 to the main stage by using it in Google Chrome (the browser and the OS) and on Youtube as embedded HTML5 video. </p>
<p>I think at the moment more can be done to encourage the use of OGGs, comparing sizes and emphasizing the free part is all well and good but it doesn&#8217;t push it to the users. Its an aggressive market, MP3, MP4 and WMA all are pushed to the users by massive companies like Apple and Microsoft. Ubuntu, Fedora, Open Solaris, FreeBSD and Opensuse (there are loads i&#8217;m not going to list them all) all distribute OGG codecs but it just seems that not many users use them and thats a shame. </p>
<p>Me personally I don&#8217;t use them because I have way too much music and video to convert and there wouldn&#8217;t be much point because if I convert it all I will have a degradation in quality because each codec removes different parts of the tracks. Plus I have an iPod and that doesn&#8217;t play OGGs. (before anyone asks I looked into it and I couldn&#8217;t find any OGG players in any of the shops I visited in Ireland)</p>
<p>One thing I have to say as a great side note is that FLAC is the most used lossless codec around and that is such a awesome example of how a free software product can dominate just because its great. </p>
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		<title>Google chrome weirdness with basic html</title>
		<link>http://shanefagan.com/2009/09/06/google-chrome-weirdness-with-basic-html/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just looked at my site and google chome doesnt understand height or width tags for images. I only use it for the ubuntu logo for my link to the ubuntu website but it looks really large in Chrome. Firefox &#8230; <a href="http://shanefagan.com/2009/09/06/google-chrome-weirdness-with-basic-html/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just looked at my site and google chome doesnt understand height or width tags for images. I only use it for the ubuntu logo for my link to the ubuntu website but it looks really large in Chrome. Firefox and internet explorer handle dimension changes fine but chrome has some trouble.<br />
On the website front I added a cool <a href="http://shanefagan.com/etc/">timeline</a> for (almost) everything I do online looks nice and its really easy to set up. </p>
<p>Update: Alls fixed now, I was using the native dimensions to set the size for me. Firefox and IE both managed to use the image small but chrome must render the image differently on the page so it wasnt the height and width tags after all. I was just being dumb.  </p>
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		<title>Theora and Vorbis, HTML and Google</title>
		<link>http://shanefagan.com/2009/08/13/theora-and-vorbis-htm-and-google/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an interesting company Google is they announced that they are buying On2. On2 is the company that provided the basis for OGG Theora by open sourcing the VP3 codec. Google, Mozilla and Opera all supported the addition of Theora &#8230; <a href="http://shanefagan.com/2009/08/13/theora-and-vorbis-htm-and-google/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting company Google is they announced that they are buying <a href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/ir_20090805.html">On2</a>. On2 is the company that provided the basis for OGG Theora by open sourcing the VP3 codec. Google, Mozilla and Opera all supported the addition of Theora to be included in the HTML 5 standard because they are free (Libre and Price) but were shot down by Apple and Nokia. Have a look here for more info<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg_controversy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg_controversy</a><br />
Nokia&#8217;s opposition confuses me because they support Qt and the KDE project and they are open source. Apple support H.264 and dont want to use anything but H.264. Microsoft are even more interesting to me because they are completely missing from the HTML 5 discussion altogether. Maybe they dont need anything new because they will just use silverlight (and their users will use adobe flash)<br />
For anyone who hasnt read the spec for HTML 5 look <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/video.html">here</a>.<br />
Here is the quote that is causing all the trouble:</p>
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It would be helpful for interoperability if all browsers could support the same codecs. However, there are no known codecs that satisfy all the current players: we need a codec that is known to not require per-unit or per-distributor licensing, that is compatible with the open source development model, that is of sufficient quality as to be usable, and that is not an additional submarine patent risk for large companies. This is an ongoing issue and this section will be updated once more information is available.
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<p>If Google open sources the On2 codecs or simply offers an assurance that they wont sue for patents (This seems kinda similar to Microsoft&#8217;s community promise) there wont be anything stopping Theoras inclusion in HTML 5.  The even more interesting thing is this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/html5">http://www.youtube.com/html5</a>. It is a HTML 5 prototype of youtube using the video tag with an mp4 file.<br />
So Google is looking into replacing the Flash video with something different and maybe buying On2 will free Theora from the &#8220;submarine patent risk&#8221;. Its already been included in Firefox and its coming soon on Chrome and Opera so its gaining ground but still its a shame that Internet Exporer (Which is the default for Windows and is the most used in the market) and Safari (Which is the default for Mac) dont support it.<br />
Google is a great supporter of Open Source so hopefully we will hear some good news from Google soon about Theora.<br />
The only thing I want is to not use Adobe Flash anymore its way too heavy and should die with the introduction of not only the video tag but also using Java Script and SVG files.<br />
On the Ubuntu front we should really make use of HTML 5 in <a href="http://video.ubuntu.com/">http://video.ubuntu.com/</a> and <a href="http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/">http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/</a></p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> Found this post to the W3 mailing list from a Microsoft employee have a look <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/0389.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/0389.html</a></p>
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